Tom Hardy was awesome as Shinzon | Report this post to moderator
By: The Magrathean (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:58:01 on Oct 05, 2009 | (1)

That's probably the biggest shame about Nemesis' failure at the box office. Tom Hardy had a lot of buzz surrounding his performance prior to the movie's release, and this was supposed to be the movie that was going to send him on his way.

I have never gotten the fan criticism of Hardy's performance as Shinzon. Frankly, I don't believe it has anything to do with Hardy's acting, but fan expectations about how a clone should look and act like. The typical complaints are that Shinzon didn't act like Picard, or that he shouldn't be bald because Picard didn't lose his hair until he was older.

Well, Shinzon was a genetically engineered clone meant to age rapidly, and he didn't live Picard's life in bucolic France, but in the Reman mines. He wouldn't necessarily look and act exactly like Picard in those circumstances. I mean, the guy was willing to blow up the Earth. If he's willing to do something that unlike Picard, doesn't it make sense there would be other differences too?

In fact, that was the entire point of the movie. Shinzon represented an alternate, darker path Picard could have taken. But it's not like he's supposed to be the "Mirror Universe" version of Picard.

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Should Have Expected it | Report this post to moderator
By: timmer33 (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:35:45 on Oct 04, 2009

He should have known the movie would tank ... he doesn't look even a little bit like Patrick Stewart. Warning sign #1.

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It wasn't just Trek | Report this post to moderator
By: sb2004 (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:06:49 on Oct 04, 2009 | (2)

It couldn't have been just because of the Trek film. Actor's careers don't die just because they're involved in one flop. John Travolta made arguably the worst movie of the last 40 years in Battlefield Earth, with made about $1.98 at the box office, but he kept making high-profile movies. Harrison Ford had duds. Sean Connery had LOTS of duds. Audrey Hepburn made a vanity movie called Green Mansions that reportedly made audiences green, and then she went on to make Breakfast at Tiffany's.

Nemesis may have contributed to Hardy's woes, but frankly if he didn't pick himself up in time, that's his fault.

Here's another example: Michelle Ryan. Her Bionic Woman was a huge flop, and she was being promoted as the next Jennifer Garner. Her career in the US tanked as a result, and so she went back home to Britain and got herself some prime gigs in shows like Doctor Who and Merlin and she doesn't seem to be hurting. And in her case that's in spite of a lot of dislike from UK audiences (due to her playing an unpopular character on a soap opera called Eastenders, apparently).

A lot of people bitch about individuals involved in Nemesis, but it's primarily aimed at the people behind the scenes -- the writer, the director, the producers. I don't see people spouting hatred for Hardy as an actor -- in fact I heard him called the only good thing about Nemesis -- any more than I've heard anyone complaining about Dina Meyers. The CHARACTERS, yes, or the near-autisic obsession some fans have with the fact Shinzon was bald when in episode 22 of Season 3 young Picard wasn't bald (sounds like something straight out of Galaxy Quest). The actors are another story.

Al

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RE: I liked Hardy in Nemesis | Report this post to moderator
By: VoR (Odo's file, contact) @ 12:31:12 on Oct 04, 2009

the BEST overacting moment for Picard:

Data tells him that some doodad thingy in his programing is "type R" and Picard YELLS, "TYPE R!?!?!" for no apparent reason.

It was like "The Cage" Spock (Deflectors at FULL INTENSITY! or THE WOMEN!!!)






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bollocks! | Report this post to moderator
By: plasmaboy (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 10:00:38 on Oct 04, 2009

becoming an alcoholic and ruining a marriage has nothing to do with staring in a film that flopped and everything to do with personal failures... it says more about him than problems with the film... and to blame a film for this..seems he can't take responsibility for his actions.

no sympathy.

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There were many things wrong with that film. | Report this post to moderator
By: prometheus 59650 (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 08:57:58 on Oct 04, 2009 | (1)

Hardy wasn't one of them. He did well with what he was given. He just wasn't given much of anything good or that made sense.

But, since he's the guy that tries to embody part of that crap script, he gets the blame.

Sucks to be the "face" of a bad film. He got undeservedly dumped on.

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By: Chronic Harlot (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 00:31:13 on Oct 04, 2009

NEM was a bad a film. Hardy, however, was not a bad actor.

I completely sympathize with him.

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Hardy was hardly Nemesis's biggest problem | Report this post to moderator
By: ZOD (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:42:42 on Oct 03, 2009

He's a good actor who wound up in a bad film. It happens. He was poorly cast for sure, but he did what he could with the role. I hope he's moved on and I wish him well.

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I liked Hardy in Nemesis | Report this post to moderator
By: Bucky (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:51:32 on Oct 03, 2009

I thought he was entertaining. Hammy, over the top, but it kept me watching.

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I knew Stuart Braid was a tough director, but I didn't know he made people crack addicts. Someone check on Gates McFadden!

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Beast!?! | Report this post to moderator
By: Scotty's little pal (Odo's file, contact) @ 20:00:46 on Oct 03, 2009

I thought his monster was a 200 lb. Reman!

I don't understand these actors! They make a LOT of money for doing very little and complain when they fall from grace temporarily.

Chin up Tom, do some diarrhea medicine commercials and get on your feet!

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