hmmm . seems to me that most fans thought trip was one of the better characters.. so for berman to kill him off again seems like he's giving the fans the middle finger.
sad.
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" laffa while you can ,,, monkey-boy!"
I really don't think I need to add much more.
Every time this guy opens his mouth he more & more remind us what type of f**k he really is.
Even Tanner couldn't believe what happens!
All I can say is w/ this level of writting, ot's a good thing B&B took the back seat until the last episode [which by-the-by you stupid f*** Berman, was well known to be the last episode, you knew the show was coming to a close & you & Braga wanted a Valintine].
Man do I feel like a doofus. I don't agree with everything Berman says, but I don't hate him or think he is a complete idiot like many here do as well. I really thought that he wanted Trek to be a success, and he would rather put out good shows rather than crap.
But when I read this:
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Rick Berman revealed that 'Trip' would have been killed even if ENTERPRISE hadn't ended. "That episode was already written when we got the call that we were cancelled," Berman said. "If we hadn't gotten the ax, it still would have been our season finale." Berman reminded that the episode took a six-year leap in time, so 'Trip' wouldn't have really died for several reasons.
I realize that you are all right and I have been a supreme doofus for having any trust in this guy at all.
Look, I did not hate this episode as a lot of folks here. I think it did not do justice to Enterprise, but it did sort of cap the last 18 years. I think though it felt like it was wrapping up all of Trek within the little TNG world, and all of Trek really belongs to Roddenberry, Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley. Instead of this, I would have prefered a story that was more like Trials and Tribbleations which included aspects of all five series.
But the idea that this was an acceptable episode not as a coda or series/multi-series finale is abhorrent. To those that want to say this is non-canon, you cannot do that, if you accept anything a computer screen says, or a character says on screen, then historical representations on the holodeck have to be just as canon. So Trip does die in 2160.
What is really bad if this was not the last show is that so much drama is taken out of the next seasons, because you know that every major character (and Shran) lives, and Trip/T'Pol do end any relationship. The NX-01 and the main crew will survive intact through every show.
We always know that most characters will survive without question, especially on Trek. But every once in a while somebody dies (Jadzia, Yar, Forrest); when you eliminate that possibility completely, then the show loses some dramatic element.
I for one, am glad that Trip and Kirk are dead. The idea that in the Trek universe everyone has to live a immortal life, or have a hugely meaningful heroic death makes it fictional in the extreme. That is not how life is, and at least in that aspect, Trek having characters with deaths that are not perfect, is a good thing.
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"We're talking sci-fi here -- anything can happen!"
Wrong. Your talking about FANTASY. Science Fiction needs to stay within the relm of plausability. Even what happened with Spock flirts with unlikelyhood.
In a breaking news flash, Berman and Braga decided to rewrite the Constitution of the United States. They both said they found the original to be a modest success for it's time, but they have decided to elevate this ancient document to new heights.
The President, the Senate and almost everyone in Washington condemned the rewritten version. Some objected to the attempt to make the Constitution sexier. Some objected to the removal of certain fundamental rights for the citizens. Still others objected to Berman and Braga calling the original writers 'visionless fools'. Finally, people did not like the fact that B&B tried to rewrite history so that the original framers of the Constitution did not exist.
B&B, so utterly confident that their new version was superior to the stale old document, presented it to the general population of the United States. The results came back: Out of 100 million people that responded, only 2 liked the new version. Most described the new version as a 'stinking pile of dog poop'. The two that dissented called it a 'bold' and 'original' revision.
B&B, when informed of the survey results pointed out that the population of the United States is 296,138,261- consequently, the survey really does not mean anything. They claimed that these were the sort of infantile tactics used by their opposition to discredit their masterpiece.
When pressed on why there was such overwhelming agreement amongst the 100 million surveyed, the thoughtful couple replied: "Constitution Fatigue".
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Ahhh again the idiot of Trek speaks. When does this assholes contract end?
Quote:"Rick Berman revealed that 'Trip' would have been killed even if ENTERPRISE hadn't ended. "That episode was already written when we got the call that we were cancelled," Berman said. "If we hadn't gotten the ax, it still would have been our season finale." Berman reminded that the episode took a six-year leap in time, so 'Trip' wouldn't have really died for several reasons.
Oh WOW how original! So if there was S5 we would still see "Trip" but know that he will die? I swear Berman must stay up late nights and work on how to be a bigger asshole with each passing day.
Quote:"And, even then, death isn't always permanent," said Trinneer. "Spock died in one STAR TREK movie and was resurrected in the next. We're talking sci-fi here -- anything can happen!"
Ahhh it ALWAYS comes back to Star Trek II. The very movie that haults Berman! The very movie that everyone wants to copy but CAN'T! hahaha
The "hey its Science Fiction, nothing is permanent" wink-wink-nugde-nudge tells me that they miscalculated the level of fan outrage over the death of Trip and the general lousiness of the entire finale. He's backpedaling, throwing a bone to the fans and trying to resurrect a smidgen of loyalty. "Hey, stick with us babe and you'll find out it never happened. We have the power to change it if we feel like it, so be nice to us and we'll think about it."
Typical. The BeeBees are so arrogant that they think no matter how they screw up they (read Manny Coto) can find a way out of it in the next episode. Problem is, there IS no next episode.
Spoilers if you care about These Are The Voyages but haven't seen it yet.
Yes, Rick "we're very pleased" Berman, we're well aware that "These Are The Voyages" was written last season. However, it was written in case there was NO season 4. That's why it was never filmed. The cast found out somewhere during filming of "In A Mirror, Darkly" that this season was the end, and you and your buddy Brannon "Captain Kirk is my favorite captain, that's why I killed him" Braga jumped up and said, "Hey, we've got a script already written for the finale. Let's use it." Had Enterprise gotten a 5th season, the episode would have again been put on the shelf. The fanbase isn't as stupid as you'd like to believe, Mr. Berman. How much intelligence would there be in showing an episode that takes place 6 years in the future, and then come back next season where you left off before the finale? Or, you stay 6 years in the future and you're suddenly without a main cast member. Don't try the "we'd have found a way to bring him back" because we all know you'd walk in and say, "Hey, Coto, find a way to bring Trip back. I'm going golfing with Brannon. Bye."
This, Mr. Berman, is EXACTLY why you are as hated as you are by the majority of the fanbase. You INSULT our intelligence. Everyone and their dog who has seen the episode, fan and critic alike, have all said in agreement that the death of one of the main characters was done sloppily and done purely to inject some drama into an episode completely devoid of any emotion whatsoever (until the last scene with the 3 different Enterprises). Everyone knows you and Brannon sat down and said, "It's the finale, someone needs to die." Then, since no one would care if you killed Reed, Hoshi, Mayweather or even Phlox, that narrowed your choices to 3. Maybe you played eenie meenie miney moe to pick who'd die, or you drew names from a hat, but it was pretty clear to anyone watching that it was done simply because it was the finale.
What you never understood, and apparently still don't even after your show has been mothballed, is that the average TV viewer is SMARTER than you have given us credit for. You come down from on high and tell us Nemesis was a good movie, the finale was a nice valentine to us fans, Archer has been a very heroic captain, and so on, and it's all bullsh*t. The fans are TIRED of you telling us we should like any drivel you produce that has the name Star Trek on it. We're tired of the crap that you have been producing. And, it can't have escaped your attention, we're TIRED OF YOU. So, quit flapping your gums doing these stupid interviews where you defend your work as good and intelligent, and fade away because no one wants to hear you talk anymore.
I invite all who think that TATV was lame to check out this website called Trip Hammered which usually chronicles all of the abuse that Trip has suffered during the course of this series. The link above contains a review and commentary on TATV.
TATV was the ultimate act of revenge on former co-workers (see article... Ron Moore was listed as one of the dead?) and against the fans who didn't agree with the direction that Mr. B was so intent on bringing the franchise to. The article is very insightful and mentions things that I didn't notice at first.
But yes, this is science fiction, and after Mr. B has left Paramount and his office is disinfected and blessed by a preist, perhaps someone of sound mind will run the franchise and bring Trip back... Heck! Bring T'Pol back too. I honestly believe that nobody could do any worse than Mr. B did.
In the words of the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons TATV was the worst episode ever! In fact, it was the worst three episodes, all in the space of an hour of ENT.
ENT could have been a great series, but TPTB prefer to use the series to upset nameless legions of geeks worldwide. The horror is over. Star Trek will return, but the Bs will not... hopefully. If they do, I'll have to give up on Star Trek as a lost cause until someone else pilots the franchise.
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TATV was was written before the show was canned? It would have happened anyway?
That's BS. Utter BS.
Even if it isn't, Ricky it STILL makes you an idiot of unparallelled propotions. Why?
Let's imagine seasons 5,6, and 7, shall we? You have completely neutered any dramatic tension with Trip. No one can ever wonder "if he'll make it....or even if the ship will make it" Of course he/it will. He lives for years yet.
Otherwise you neutered any tension in the entire series and even I don't think you're THAT stupid, though I could be wrong.
LOL unless you were planning to resurrect the TCW or some other such temporal swill. In which case I'm happy the show is done, despite the improvement in S4.
May you find a special place in Hell.
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"No, no 'however'. Just be wrong. Just stand there in your wrongness and be wrong and get used to it."--President Josiah Bartlet, The West Wing
I find the saga of Enterprise with its legacy from abusive stepparents (B and B)almost too tragic to type about. The situation of Paramount being unwilling or unable to attempt to rectify a situation as costly as this one is to them is gotta be as painful for them financially as is it for the fans emotionally.
At least I hope it is.
Trip is one of the only characters I liked in this show.
Good riddence ENTERPRISE and Rick Berman.
Trips
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Because that just would have made sense! Run four seasons, leap 6 years ahead and kill Trip, then backtrack to when he wasn't dead. Brilliant, Berman. You just made the cancellation a little easier on all of us. But even if they had stayed 6 years in the future, c'mon? ENT without Trip? Not possible.
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Many thanks to Jean-Luc for my siggie!
Beyond the rim of star-light, my love is wand'ring in star-flight/ I know he'll find in star-clustered reaches/ Love, strange love a star woman teaches/ I know his journey ends never/ His star trek will go on forever/ but tell him while he wanders his starry sea, remember, remember me. TRIP LIVES
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