Seems like this premise would put Troi and Riker and the 1701-D in the foreground of a finale to a series they were never a part of. Doesn't make much sense to me.
50 bucks betting on the appearance of phaser fights on the ship's corridors.....
It's almost mandatory...
Well, I guess I won't be able to use the title "These Are The Voyages" for a TV series that me and a friend had been working on for the past two years. Dammit! We thought it would had made for a great name for a Star Trek TV series. What do you think?
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If you recall we never saw the holodeck destroyed in generations, nor ten forward, but make it a true homage and show the darn bridge! (That set was totally destroyed.)
I wonder what season........of TNG this will play into; but I like the theory of the Titan however, people have indicated they were wearing TNG era uniforms......
Unless Riker and Troi have been playing it for four years, without bothering to participate in it until now. Don't they have better things to do with their time?
Besides, that would be a silly and annoying "reset button" tactic, and who would be stupid enough to...
Oh, yeah.
Well, if that is what the script says, it still doesn't make sense. I'd find it easier to accept the dubious continuity of Enteprise than to find that it was a lengthy simulation.
Of course, if it was, does that mean that Data was actually playing Arik Soong?
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"You know what six movies average out to be really good? The first six Star Trek movies!" -- Fry, Futurama
that the mandatory www.killrickberman.com site will be going up soon if this is just a rest button, and we find out that none of this really happened. That would really really piss me off. And I can't see how the actors would be happy about this either. The raised three mill to saver enterprise. Think we can rais enough for a hitman?
I read the original article and while it mentions 10 forward and other familiar Ent-D sets, unless i missed it, there is no mention that the 24th century ship is actally the Ent-D on the Star Trek website. (although i did note the specific mention of Troi's quarters, but isnt it Betazoid tradion for the Man to take the Womans last name?) Picard called Riker, "Mr.Troi". We never saw the Titan, perhaps it is a Galaxy class ship identical to the D. That would make more sense than going back to a ship that has been long since destroyed.
I wonder if B&B think they are doing the same sort of consistency damage control for which Coto has earned kudos...
Fan: Why hasn't any series, EVER, mentioned the illustrious Captain Archer and the crew of a pre-TOS Enterprise?
B&B: Well, ACTUALLY, Riker and Troi were replaying Archer's adventures on the Enterprise D. We just never knew it.
Fan: Is it true that you're both evil and smell bad and are going to burn in Hell for making Chakotay and Seven a couple?
Braga: Hey, you know I slept with the actress who played Seven. That was before she sued her former husband for being a deviant.
Fan: What's wrong Braga? You look pale and concerned!
Moore: I have reinvented Science Fiction! No viewscreens! No space casinos! Characters! Ultra Super Hyper Realism! It's just like Hill Street Blues and all those F/X shows, and is a totally new type of science fiction, just as though I reinvented Science Fiction, which kind of makes it like I invented Science Fiction in the first place!
Fan: You mean like Al Gore invented the internet and inspired Love Story? Anyway, what's so realistic about imaginary evangelical space robots? Aren't they just as campy and silly as space casinos? And what was up with Starbuck using a jacket to plug a hole in a spaceship - you call that realistic? And why are all of your characters such negative melodramatic stereotypes?
Moore: Hey, y'know Braga slept with that chick that played Seven. Man, he's got some stories, but he quit telling them after Jack Ryan got sued.
Fan: You guys suck. I'm going back to my basement unless Mom has something good for dinner.
I hope this holo simulation shows that all of Enterprise has been a fake simulation. That would make me very happy, and would actually make the series more acceptable to me (I simply cannot accept that the Xindi and time travel crap actually happened in the Trek universe).
I am more looking forward to this episode than any other in this whole series.
I can't believe that ENT is already gone and there is no new Trek around the corner. This hurts. I will be hard pressed to enjoy the final episode, regardless of the content.
Bla'lock may find that finale appaling, but I'll wait and see. At least I promise that I won't complain about it at all. Other people will probably not hesitate to flame it but I will be silent, its like a memorial and this is my way of paying respect. Rest in peace, Trek... :-(
So, it's confirmed that they're in a holodeck. That *doesn't* have to mean than ENT is negated... I mean, if you could interact with an imaginary scenario, like in a holodeck, aren't there at least some of you out there who would choose something historic? The signing of the Declaration of Independance (or another similar document)? Meet Motzart, or something? Maybe they're playing history...actual ST canon history. We can hope!
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SAVE ENTERPRISE
Beyond the rim of star-light, my love is wand'ring in star-flight/ I know he'll find in star-clustered reaches/ Love, strange love a star woman teaches/ I know his journey ends never/ His star trek will go on forever/ but tell him while he wanders his starry sea, remember, remember me.
I was disappointed to hear that the holodeck rumor mongers were on the right track after all. I don't think it's very fair to the actors from Enterprise to be upstaged by TNG theme (from sets to actors). Now, while I think it would be cool to see the old 1701-D, I just can't wrap my head wround the massive insult the idea brings to all of us who enjoyed Enterprise. It's almost like it ENT wasn't good enough to be the last episode of Trek for a while. I think it was, especially this year. And I agree with all TOS folks who are crying foul - no one is keeping their promise of a prequel connection to Kirk & co. Is the Trek ship wildly adrift here or is it me?
It was TNG that got me into Trek, but it was Kirk and the movies that I always felt the most heart for. Where is their due? Generations? Give me a break. William Shatner was ready to go this year and nothing came of it?? Paramount what are you doing?
Don't even get me started if this is a cheap reset episode erasing Enterprise from the timeline. That wouldn't be a valentine to true fans - that would be a big kiss-off from Paramount. Thanks for watching all this time, now swallow this and watch our war movie in 2008.
I feel a tad disheartened here and I am venting a bit, especially since a lot of us loyal Star Trek fans have been there through thick and thin and the powers that be are acting like they could care less. I hope I am wrong. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. But a holodeck episode jambed into TNG timeline (somewhere?) is totally out of character.
Thank you to the Enterprise cast for giving us all a nice four years. You brought Star Trek to us at our nation's darkest hours (right after 9-11) and you have kept us entertained on Wednesday and Friday nights (or Sunday nights for me). You held the tradition of Trek well.
Thank you Manny Coto and the writers this year who really poured passion into their stories and who did the best with the plotlines they were given. The quality shined this year! Awesome harkening back to TOS. It was the best of all four years!
All good things, right?...cheers to you all.
Riker is the FG. 5% chance he might be the Chef also. We all knew when series V was annouced there would be a reset button and here it is. Too much of continuity mess-ups and rating disaster for it to be anything else.
I am 90% sure he would turn out to be FG maniuplating time-lines to see how history would have turned out had y happened instead of x. Maybe his temp Q persona just lingered on(remember the episode where Q grants Riker temp q powers so he can join them and it didnt take long for the Q-ness to get to Riker's head).
And to insult to the injury enterprise will most likely turn out to be nothing more than a holo-novel. Yikes...
Considering B&B record track i wont be surprised if they scuttle their own 'reincarantion of star trek' series which they created from the ground up. They are sort of erasing this failure of a series from history so their resume wont bear the mark of being the producers of the first post TOS cancelled series.
Ladies and gentleman Enteprise was nothing more than a figment of someone imagination. Let us also forget this badly executed series ever exsisted and move on. Hopefully one day we will get to see a real star trek series in the future.
Hey..would Trek XI be a holodock recreation too? since its also a prequel and in the capable hands of who else but B&B
Quote:
Frakes was at various points dressed in a TNG-era uniform; as an NX-01 crewman; as a MACO; and ... as one other person who perhaps should remain a surprise,"
Don't tell me... Riker's Future Guy?
Oh, and are you telling me that after more than 10 years and the destruction of the E-D on screen, all those old sets have been kept in mothballs? They destroyed Voyager's sets when it wrapped up. I mean, I know they recycle a lot (a lot of VOY's stuff was from TNG), but I really would have figured after this long, the same happened to the TNG sets. Or did they recreate them, or possibly use CGI?
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--Don Corleone
So Rick Berman's idea of a "valentine" to the fans is a horrible science fiction cliché? How much more pain can he inflict on us? Why does he hate Star Trek so much?
Look, I like Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis and the characters they played - TNG hooked me and solidified the love of Star Trek I've had for far too long a time. But IMO this 'valentine' seems like more of a pat on the back for Berman and Braga's own contributions mixed with a sly move to embed the series in established canon by having TNG characters slip back into heavy makeup and girdles to talk about the series that it seems only Manny Coto really was passionate about fitting into continuity, especially TOS's.
And damned if I'm not a little upset they didn't do the idea I had of a 'Jack & Bobby' style 24th century documentary with TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY et al characters (TOS characters being shown in 'archival footage,' the NX-01 crew's descendants too) saying a few words about the NX-01's crew and mission, its impact and its fate.
Even just 30 seconds where Picard could say something like, 'I think my son has more than a little hero worship of Jonathan Archer,' could bring closure not just to 'Enterprise' but to other parts of the franchise. Even if they could only convince the regular suspects who come back (Frakes, Sirtis, Takei, Burton, Auberjonois, Picardo, Goldberg, Crosby, Dorn, Hertzler, Mulgrew, Combs, Eisenberg, McNeil, Dawson, Russ...) that'd be a hell of a guest cast that conceivably might not cost more than the expense of recreating so many TNG sets - it's less than 2 minutes of screentime and a last goodbye to 'Star Trek,' surely that's worth scale paychecks? No new sets, just greenscreens and/or black backdrops, which means even an actor out of the country could be visited and deliver his or her performance seated in a chair for a few minutes.
And surely the sentimental argument could have swayed others like Stewart or even Shatner to come back one last time. Just think if Kirk, interviewed pre-'Generations,' had the last line, reminiscing about whatever fate befell the NX-01 crew, something poignant like, 'Well, heroes never really die,' that works on more than one level.
I just think this was a huge missed opportunity, and if I ever get the chance to ask a former executive producer of 'Enterprise' if they ever considered this idea, I surely will.
Now, I understand the "valentine" Rick Berman said earlier. The valentine is ending the 18-year run with TNG.
A full circle.
To be honest, I don't really mind this.
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"Take a Romulan chill pill and have some faith!"
-Erik Jendresen, writer of Star Trek XI
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-General George S. Patton Jr.
Having just read this made my skin crawl. I have a very bad feeling about this whole mess and wishing that it would have been Manny who would have written the last episode for the show instead of Berman.
If Paramounts heads read this, I blame you mostily for the down fall. Yes I understand it is the all mighty dollar that run business, but because of you greed you helped to destroy a franchise that could have been even greater.
Riker is revealed as "Future Guy", it's holo-fiction, the 4 years of ENT never happened.
Wouldn't it be (insert adjective) if Riker played Archer as the surprise?
Riker will be Chef?
LLaP
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Kira: Well, now that you have another pip on your collar, does that mean I can't disagree with you anymore?
Sisko: No. It just means I'm never wrong.
This is "Gimmick" pure and simple. I can live with it only if the events of Enterprise are revealed to have really happened and Riker is taking part in a holographic version of REAL EVENTS just as Bashir and O'Brien used to defend the Alamo on DS9. It still is lame, but I could live with it.
However, if this episode reveals the four seasons we've seen so far to have been holo-fiction, and Berman uses this episode to write off the four years of Enterprise continuity then I will be seriously pissed.
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