But this is total bullshit - 125 yrs before Kirk IS NOT STAR TREK!
Looks like it'll be a long wait for a true come back!
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Nemesis had all the right buttons there waiting to be pressed, but like Data on a Reman keypad Paramount seem to have pushed the wrong ones. :/
About when or where its set.
All I ask is that it is obviously *looks* and *feels* like Star Trek and is a good film.
One thing we know for certain will be different is the score, Jerry Goldsmith can't do it this time (R.I.P) so I hope they bring in someone with a proven track record.
As for the director they need to get a fan.. Bryan Singer springs to mind. Surely he would rescue Trek? He even has a cameo in Nemesis.
As for Mr Rick Berman he knows he has to come up with something good because this may be his very last chance. I get the feeling he has used up 8 of his 9 lives.
At its conceptual surface, this is a classic example of Hollywood "me too!" thinking. While trying to resuscitate ENT, they looked over at the new BSG, saw what an amazing success it was, and decided to duplicate it. Which is ironic since the Original BSG was a ripoff of ST and SW.
So, they see BSG takes place in the backdrop of a war against a genocidal enemy. They've gone from laser guns back to missiles and projectile weapons. Well, in ST, it would be wierd to go to, say, DS9 and suddenly see them using projectile firing guns and wired phones, so a prequel would be an option. Hey, there's a Romulan War in pre-TOS period, and not enough folks watched ENT to matter anyway, so they chose that time period. And that war setting benefits from the concept of an enemy never seen and somewhat mysterious, too, but its out to wipe out humanity. Perfect. And so forth.
Nothing new here. But, unlike many original BSG fans, I'm willing to give it a shot anyway hoping I'm wrong and this won't be a bad idea. I'd be willing to accept a reimagining of the ST universe if it returns the series to the kind of character-centric storytelling it should have. Though I don't think the answer is in the special effects, it's the writing.
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"Who are you, and how did you get in here??"
"I'm a locksmith, and... I'm a locksmith".
- "Police Squad"
As far as Trek XI goes, I personally don't care what era it's at. I just want a well-written film that does service to the characters in the film and not put the plot and special effects first. Sure, let's have some space battles and some blowing up of stuff and let Paramount spend some money to make a film that LOOKS like an epic film and not a TV episode, but let it serve the characters. Make me care about the players, like in Treks 2, 3, 4, 6 and 8, and so many great episodes of TNG, TOS, and DS9.
So they're making another prequel. I'd much rather them further the stories they have in the 24th century or move onto the 25th. No more of this regression.
DS9 fleshed out all of this great political intrigue in the 24th century AQ and no series or movie since then has expoited that. As a matter of fact, they've been avoiding the 24th century, which remains to me the most interesting century of Star Trek out of the three they've based series in. Or if they really want to get away from the 24th, go into the 25th. That way there will at least be some feeling of PROGRESSION in the Star Trek universe
And as far as Jendreson's comments, what *about* DS9!? Gritty, real, epic, had a war that took two whole years to end? There was never a sterility to the action on that series. While the idea of bringing more of that into the Trek movies is good, he says it like Star Trek has never done it and that's not true. As a matter of fact, if they wanted a movie like that, DS9 would have been an excellent series to use as a springboard.
I don't know. Hiring a writer with good credentials outside of Star Trek means nothing. I don't care if he wrote "Band of Brothers" or if he was Shakespeare. As many in the business have pointed out, writing for Star Trek is very different from writing outside it. John Logan wrote the screenplay for "Gladiator"...did that make "Nemesis" a great movie? No. Jendreson may have all these nice suggestions, but as of now, it's all talk.
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Sounds good so far, but I wonder if Paramount will actually give the producers/director the appropriate amount of money to really make a FILM and not a glorified television episode...
VoR
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We should zoom forward to the 25th Century, not rewind back to the early days. Build on what we have! If we go back, we destroy canon guar-an-teed!
Trek has always been about looking ahead. The undiscovered country!
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This guy Jendreson uses phrases like “epic” and “mythic” to describe this prequel project. He wants “big ideas” that will give his story “a sense of timeless style”, like TOS did. He wants mythic? Timelessness? Big Ideas? How about using a resource that’s already there? Band of Brothers? I’ll give you band of brothers.
If you set the story a year after Nemesis:
- Picard and Geordi are on the Enterprise E.
- Riker and Troi are on the Titan
- Worf is Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Homeworld.
- Spock is still on Romulus.
- General Martok is Chancellor of the Empire.
- Sisko is in the Celestial Temple.
- Jake, Colonel Kira, Bashir and Dax are still on DS9.
- O’Brien and Crusher are at Starfleet Academy on Earth.
- Odo is with the Founders in the Gamma Quadrant.
- Scotty is still in that shuttle craft since ‘Relics’.
- And Kirk is still stuck in that damn Nexus.
PEOPLE! Find a reason to put these ‘Band of Brothers’ together and I’m telling you, you can’t get much more “mythic” and “epic” than that. Who’s with me?
What’s that you say? …. This won’t please the casual fan? …. Well neither will Droids or Wookies, so they thought.
PREQUELS DO NOT WORK!!! STAR TREK IS ABOUT THE FUTURE, MAN!!!
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I hope he decides to utilize Masao Okazaki's Starfleet Museum collection. It's comprehensive, true to TOS, and Jendressen could truly focus on the crew and their interaction at a time of interstellar war.
It's safe to say that this would be Earth's first major interstellar conflict (prior to ENT I hadn't heard of any before 2156) and hece there'd be an environment of uncertainly, intrigue, pioneering, etc.
I'm willing to wager this will range closer to Trek VI than Trek X.
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-Missouri State Rep. Bryan Stevenson, R-Joplin
I can't see Jendresen rushing this script and I am sure he will have a couple of close friends read over the script to make sure that sounds good. I am sure that he may re-write this script at least ten times before he feels good about it. So here is my prediction for Star Trek XI:
Release date will be: Late Spring 2008.
On a sobber note, depending on how well Star Trek XI does in the movie theater, will determine whether there will be a new series. If the show does well, look to see a new series come out a year or two after the movie. If the show bombs, at least according to some of the posters on this site, dont expect to see star trek to return to the small screen for at least ten years after the movie.
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"Everybody just needs to just take a Romulan chill pill and have some faith,"
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Jendresen, who says he was originally not interested in the project
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"By the end of this story, everyone isn't fine,"
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characters and take place about 160 years before 'Kirk' is born -- may borrow some of the grittiness of that miniseries.
Star Trek is so screwed... Chill Pill, Gritty... What the F**k
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I dunno. Seems like the Treksperts are trying to follow the latest trends in the movies: gritty, dark, "real," while once again forgetting why most people love Trek in the first place. I hope the darker ending still holds a positive message about humanity, democracy, etc... if it does, then it truly could be a good film.
Curious if they'll keep similar ships in look to those from ENT, since the eras are close. I always liked that ship concept art picture that looked like a transition between ENT and TOS.
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Bring back Enterprise and save us from this proposed crap!
sounds to me like he is going to make a good faith effort i for one am more then ready to give him a chance sounds like he is not going to use the reset button either
an idea which i wholeheartedly support
If Jendresen really meant "60-odd" years, then that puts it well within the range of when the Romulan War happened. In "Balance of Terror," Spock only said that the Earth-Romulan War happened "100 years ago." At that point, Kirk was 35 years old, so even if Spock was being very precise, that puts the Romulan War (or at least the establishment of the Neutral Zone) at 65 years before Kirk's birth. Sounds like it fits to me.
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Never before have things been so much the way they are now.
This is a good start. You can't do what TNG and the original guys did any better than they did. You have to start fresh. SURPRISE a few people. Be creative for the next, NEXT generation of Star Trek. As long as it doesn't betray the basic ideologies and principles of the Star Trek of the last 40 years, I'll give anything a chance.
I miss the das of when I looked forward for a Star trek movie so much tha thtere was little else on my mind. Now, we have people making movies about characters I don't know and could care less about.
The TOS movies were what I grew up with. I fondly miss that cast and thought they were retired way too early. The baton film, Generations, was a weak way to say goodbye to the TOS crew and hello to the TNG crew. Now, after only 4 films under their belts they are writing off the TNG crew. Why? Has their story really been told to completion? Here we have a group of actors and characters that are in their prime and yet they are being discarded. Did it occur to anyone that the failure of the last two films has had nothing to do with the cast or the setting? It has far more to do with the writing and directing than anything. The stories for the last two films were, frankly, ones that needed a few more touches before being put to film. My point is that Star Trek 11 should be about the TNG crew exploring strange new worlds.
This whole concept of a Romulan Wars movie is just flat wrong. Star Trek is not about telling war stories for Christsakes! Its about exploring the human condition. Yes, we can have lots of action and explosions, but that's all meaningless without a decent story. Sounds like Trek 11 will be, at best, the same mediocre, sub-par crap that we've become all too accustom to. I think when everyone is going to see this film I'll stay at home and watch Treks 1-6. If these bozos wanna know how to make some good films they should watch these movies and take some notes (minus 5, of course).
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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"Take a Romulan chill pill and have some faith!"
-Erik Jendresen, writer of Star Trek XI
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-General George S. Patton Jr.
...I can safely say that many of the people on this board are morons. (And you know who you are.)
First of all, THE FRACKING MOVIE HASN'T EVEN BEEN WRITTEN YET! Can't you maintain some objectivity until we hear some more about the actual concept and plot? Geez, I bet when the new Coca-Cola (C2) came out, you all said, "This sucks!" before you even tasted it! (It does suck, but that's beside the point...at least I tasted it first.)
Second, you're drawing parallels where none exist. Just because Erik Jendresen produced "Band of Brothers," and he states he wants to bring some of that "grittiness" to STAR TREK, doesn't mean it's going to be a war movie! To most of you folks already bashing the movie idea, 1+1=3. Stop making inferences where there is no real connection!
Third, you obviously don't read the entire thread before you post. The SyFy Portal guy said Jendresen's comment that the movie would take place "160 years" before Kirk's birth was a "mistake." Yet you still harp on that number. Read the entire fracking thread!
And fourth, I reiterate, THE MOVIE HASN'T BEEN PRODUCED YET! Take a deep breath (and one of Jendresen's Romulan chill pills) and wait until more information is released! Berman may not even be involved except as the bean-counter (read: executive producer).
Honestly, I think some of you post on this board just to gain some sick sort of attention. Troll somewhere else, if you please.
Now, having said that...
I personally don't believe this movie will ever be produced. Why? Berman's contract will run out eventually, perhaps even during the "production phase" of this movie. When that happens, Paramount will sh*tcan this project so fast your head will spin like Linda Blair. Trust me, this is just to keep Berman busy until his contract expires. Even though producers and a scriptwriter have been hired, that doesn't mean they'll actually produce or write anything. Hollywood is full of projects that stay in the "pre-production phase" for what seems like an eternity, until contracts expire or studio leadership changes.
Also, Paramount has a history of providing mis-information to the public. I refer again to the mid-1987 "Starlog" article about TNG, which referred to Data as "an evil Betazoid." We all know how that one turned out. When it comes to any sort of "behind-the-scenes" information from that studio, take it all with a huge lump of salt (unless it comes in the form of a press release, and even then be somewhat skeptical).
In short...CHILL OUT! Quit complaining about vaporware!
(And Scorned, before you get on your soapbox...no, I won't leave the boards, because frankly, it's morons like you that provide me with some of the best entertainment I've had in quite a while. Like Data said (and someone uses in their sig line): "Could you continue the petty bickering? I find it most interesting.")
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falcon
Sounds like this is a re-boot of Enterprise and by going the 'gritty' route comparisons to the new Galactica will be inevitable.
"We didn't get it right the first time so maybe this is what we should have done int he first place!"
Seems like it has potential but I'm just not sure who would show up to see this thing.
What the shit!? Do these Trek producers really think we are going to eat everthing they give us?!? Another prequal movie however without the cast of ENTERPRISE but totally new characters? Really crappy! "Oh, it is going to be great because it is 150 years before Kirk!" Well so it is ENTERPRISE! And you said the same thing when it started and now you cancelled it. So how stupid can someone be and do the same shit again that failed? You know what: concentrate on getting ENTERPRISE back with a gig bang so you can use the series for a feature. But please not another Trek crew!!!!! This socks!!!
Well, Jendresen is basically just saying, he will try to write a superb story about something, and he won't rely on special effects to make the film a hit... Good... That was to be expected.
I don't really "get" this concept yet.
Humans will be allowed to be mean. Technobabbly won't solve everything, replicators won't feed everyone, some drama maybe? Looking forward to it already.
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--T'Pol
Hey, everyone ...
Erik just messaged me and let me know that 160 years was an incorrect number (obviously), hehehehe!!
So, don't let that fuel speculation that is might be a WWIII movie or anything like that. :)
Sorry!
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www.SyFyPortal.com
Quote:"will involve no existing characters and take place about 160 years before 'Kirk' is born -- may borrow some of the grittiness of that miniseries.
I thought ENT was about a 100 years before Kirk. So that means this dumb movie takes place before ENT? This whole idea sounds like it sucks. It is very clear that Star Trek is just going more and more backwards. It seems to me that Eric is not a fan of Trek nor has he been paying attention to it. The idea of Star Trek prequels has been a failure. Why waste a movie and a budget of $50 million on another prequel that no one is interetsed in?
By the way what "miniseries" is he talking about? Does he mean TOS? That was NOT a mini series. If he thinks that then once again another non Trek fan is doing Trek having no business doing so.
Quote:"There's an old tradition in space films, if you think about it, where war and conflict are very sterile," Jendresen said. "Death doesn't hurt, it's not really ugly. You can get killed by a phaser and just... disintegrate.
He hates Trek.
Quote:""We're going 160-odd years before Kirk is born. It's an earlier time, and I think it would be really refreshing to feel something in the course of telling this tale, instead of being wowed by special effects, or presenting another crew in jeopardy where, in the end, the captain does something brilliant, and all's right with the world.
So that means they are going to completely forget about ENT? More prequel crap.
Quote:""Everybody just needs to just take a Romulan chill pill and have some faith," he says, reflecting on the negativity surrounding STAR TREK in recent years.
Hahahah they are speaking to Trekman: The kid who doesn't know jack about Trek. hahaha
Quote:" "Everything that has gone down over the last few years has not been lost on the gentlemen involved in this effort. I think it would be wonderful to bring a whole new generation into this world."
What does this mean? "Lost on the gentlemen involved? Does he mean that Trek's decline has nothing to do with Rick Berman being invovled? If that is what he is implying then Erik can go F himself. He is nothing more than a Berman bitch.
Quote:"Jendresen, who says he was originally not interested in the project, signed on only when studio brass assured him it would be entirely different from all previous STAR TREK endeavors.
Do us a favour and bow out anyways.
Quote:""By the end of this story, everyone isn't fine," Jendresen said. "I can safely say as a storyteller with certain standards - my intention is literally as a writer, as a storyteller, as a filmmaker, to go boldly where no one has gone before.
Oh how original! Folks....Wake up. This next movie is going to suck! A movie with no familiar characters. A movie that is yet another STUPID prequel. A movie made by a man who was NOT interested in do it. A man who seemed to kiss up to Berman. Save your money folks! This is going to be 3 shit Trek films in a row!
Why did Trek have to die this way?
Why? They're just...jesus. I cannot IMAGINE more incompetence than this.
They complain about problems--Franchise fatigue, nobody liked the concept of Enterprise...and then they do the same FUCKING THINGS!
AAAAAAAAAAAAARGH
ERROR! ERROR!
*explodes*
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"Vulcan children are never late with their sehlats' dinner."
--T'Pol, "The Forge"
They're going backwards again! I will keep an open mind however, and now for a translation
"It's an earlier time, and I think it would be really refreshing to feel something in the course of telling this tale, instead of being wowed by special effects, or presenting another crew in jeopardy where, in the end, the captain does something brilliant, and all's right with the world."
Translation: After Nemesis, Paaramount cut the budget by more than half. We have no money left...
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'Cold Station 12'
I met him a couple weeks back. He is a really good guy. I think he has a rocking story. Don't worry, he is aware that the timeline may not work exactly right. I gave him some ideas on that, here are my choices, which do you like:
1) The Temporal Cold War messed up when Romulans/Humans found each other. Now instead of pre-warp romulans, it is pre-warp humans with earth attacked by Romulans. Cool Huh? Unless the captain can resolve the temporal cold war issues with Daniels, then Archer will never exist!
2) It follows the story of Captain William Adama as he travels from Caprica to Earth.
3) It is the mirror universe Vulcans attacking Cochrane after the first flight
4) At the end of the movie, (I think he might go with this idea), it turns out Wesley Crusher was just playing an holo-RPG of an alternate timeline on the holodeck.
-Brannon
Stay tuned for Threshold!
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You bring up an excellent point- this movie is a prequel to a series that is being cancelled! What in the world???? Nobody watched this show, and guess what? It had a "clean slate" concept too.. no 24th century, all new actors, new stories.. and look what happened?
So let me get this right.. their solution is to do the EXACT SAME THING.. but set it farther back in the past. Okay... that really makes sense.
Give the prequel band-wagon a rest. Enterpise the so-called 'Reincarantion of star trek' has been a total disaster. Majority of the fans never wanted a prequel, never accpeted enterprise as a prequel and never really will want another prequel and heaven forbid a prequel to enterprise. The rating disaster, the erosion of fans in massive number from the season finale of voyager to the current season and no to forget the lowest rated and watched series premier of any trek series should be more than ample proof.
Quit while star trek have some sembelance of hope of revival on small-screen at some point in time. A prequel movie with unknown cast could spell epic disaster for the beloved trek franchise and could be the last nail in the coffin.
Let star trek rest in peace until we have talent that can once again take trek boldly where it has never gone before not to boldly revisit revision history yet again.
While it's waaaaaaaaay too early to determine anything, it at least seems as though Jendresen has the soul of Star Trek in mind and heart. As I read the SyFy Portal interview, I was struck by how he was focused on not just TOS, but on the key elements that made up TOS. In other words, he seems to have done his homework.
I, for one, am preparing myself to become an optimist again.
Does anyone have any facts on the extent of Berman's involvement?
LLaP
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Saving Private Riker!
Awesome. That's going to be great. I hope tom sizemore will be in it.. that is if he can get out of jail by then.
Pre Enterprise? WWII type story. Does any of this actually have anything to do with "Star Trek"? Oh, excuse me, I'll sit down now. The heavy hitters are playing now.
The problem I have seen from reading some of the negative feedback in this thread is that no matter what script is created, whether 160 years in the past, 25 years after Nemesis, there is always going to be one person who is going to complain. The same will happen when looking at the person to script a movie. While there is a good percentage that like Manny Coto, there is still that 10% that dont care much for him, classifying him a puppet of B&B. At this point I am willing to give Jendresen the benefit of the dout and wait and see what happens. I have found that most critics that give a thumbs up or down on a movie, at times just dont know what they are talking about. Personally I think that a person needs to see the movie and decide for himself or herself what they think of a movie. I personally think that Jendresen may create a movie that may surprise all of us. As for Paramount/Viacom/CBS, all these people really understand is the Almighty Dollar, I trully dont think they understand what the fanbase is really wanting. Do they care, unless you can read their minds, and I cant, I dont think we will ever trully know. Of course we can alway speculate by how the franchise does.
Could be a great story as much as it could suck...
Don't know if it'll be a Romulan Wars story, I would like so but the chronology is a little off...We know it doesn't mean anything...
About a WWIII story, don't think it would be worth to call it "Star Trek" then, I'm not that interested by pre-Enterprise stuff.
My best guess is for a Romulan War thing. Now, they can do a shitty job, but then it will just put the last nail in the coffin. I hope the prequel idea was decided because they realized they had good possibilities that they couldn't do anymore with Enterprise being cancelled.
Of course, I hope they won't mess up too much with the "continuity" they just established with Enterprise, even if it was at the expanse of other Trek series...Or will they ignore Enterprise? Hmmm...
Let's sit down and wait to judge. When the movie is to be released anyway, late 2006? 2007?
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You'd think "prequel" would be a dirty word with Paramount after ENT, but they obviously still haven't learned their lesson. If most fans were interested in seeing a prequel, ENT wouldn't have divided the fanbase the way it did. I don't doubt that Jendresen is a talented writer, but this project is doomed to failure by its very concept.
RE: Uh oh
by Maverick128 @ 19:27:35 on Mar 09
I am not yet impressed. I will keep my eyes and ears open, but I feel skeptical.
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well it all seems clear now. They want to make a WW2-style movie in the Trek universe (probably WW III)
...but will this really be a "Trek Movie". But is the pre-Enterprise time really 'Trek'. That is more backstory to the Trek universe.
Roddenberry's Trek is about a time when man has united and put aside war and hunger (at least on Earth). It sounds like this is a time before that vision of the future
God Speed, Erik Jendresen!
I KNEW IT!!! IT KNEW IT!!! Star Trek XI will be a dark and gritty Romulan War movie that is in the spirit of a World War II movie. I've said it time and time again, and people either just ignore me or critize me, but I, I have the last laugh. I swear on my mother's grave that this movie won't be a dud, but a hit, Star Trek's greatest movie that could rival even Khan himself.
And to all the bashers who doubt:
In the words of Jendresen, "Take a Romulan chill pill!"
VIVA LA STAR TREK!!!!!!! VIVA LA ROMULAN WARS!!!!!
This has made my day.
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"Take a Romulan chill pill and have some faith!"
-Erik Jendresen, writer of Star Trek XI
"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-General George S. Patton Jr.
I am interested in hearing more, and think it does have potential, but as far as the timelines go, some things don't make sense.
Forgive, I don't have the Trek chronology in front of me. But some quick math
Original Series = 2265
Kirk was 35.
Kirk born in Iowa = 2265 - 35 = 2230
160 Years before Kirk's birth
2230 - 160 = 2070
So this story is going to take place within a dozen years of Cochrane's flight and First Contact?
There is a lot of story here to be sure, but a prequel to Enterprise? And first contact or the war with Romulans to take place in the 21st century?
Now if is more like 2050 and an examination and exploration of WWIII or the replaced Eugenics Wars, I am definately interested.
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From what I read above I am hoping that it is true and Jendresen is able to pull off a miracle. But the only problem I see is that Mr. Berman is going to stick his nose in what Jendresen is doing and make his usual changes, then again if the studio is smart they will tell Berman you will have no true control over the story line.
"Amen."
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