...I'm gonna personally fly to LA and slap him. The trouble is, he really thinks it was, which leads him to believe that the reason it didn't do well is 'franchise fatigue'.
Rick - Nemesis was a BAD movie. No really, it was! We're not just saying that. Get it through your thick head.
Trek does NOT need reinvention! It needs intelligent, creative writers like Manny Coto who understand that character development and human stories and meaningful, relavant storylines must come first. It needs someone who understands the essence of Star Trek - what it means and the purpose it serves - namely, to make us dream, aspire, and realise that we can be more than the sum of our parts.
This is what Trek has failed to do for a long time under the beige, stollid, lacklustre, constipated helmsmanship of Rick Berman, a man whose creative talents and vision it could be said are roughly equivalent to those of a bowl of rice pudding.
Star Trek at its best has always moved us. It has made our hearts swell with hope and our imaginations race with possibilities. It has made us laugh and cry. We have tentatively looked forward to a future where humanity is united, peaceful and acceptant of difference. Enterprise has begun to shine in Season 4. It must be given the chance to let Star Trek move us once more.
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Berman's arrogance is totally obvious. He really thinks he can do Star Trek better than the original vision.
His version of Trek is just a joke, except for the show where he had least creative input(DS9). The rest were just ripoffs of the original series- sometimes the plots were just directly lifted with little modification.
The only other Trek that has been real good is this season of ENT, where his involvement was once again minimal.
Want to revive the franchise? Get rid of this imbecile with the monstrous ego and the minute skill and creativity.
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"...and if a film goes forward, it will be the first that won't be based on already established TV characters."
Berman might as well not bother, then. Unless it's a DS9 movie or mixed cast(involving DS9), I'm not interested.
Here's a friggin' suggestion: Berman's got a great series in Enterprise now. He should abandon the damn film project and concentrate on keeping Enterprise on the air. He should be as committed as Manny Coto is to keeping it on the air, but he's not. For the first time in that series' life, it deserves to be renewed. (and if I sound agitated, sorry-I'm just very frustrated about the way the franchise is being handled right now.)
...it just needs Berman gone and maybe Braga to be either gone as well, or demoted (Braga has done some good, it's just rare). As much as I enjoy BSG, I'd hate to see Trek just wipe the slate clean and start over from scratch-- there's too much history in the franchise to just start from scratch.
I'd be more interested in seeing a new take on Trek set in the existing universe (or at least, the same timeline). A show set around Section 31 perhaps, or, as I've suggested in the past, a JAG-type show. In other words, instead of focusing on space, exploration and so forth, give that facet of the show a break so other areas of the universe can be explored. There'd be just as many opportunities to touch on traditional Trek storytelling, but with a twist that keeps it from being the same old re-hashed story.
I think the mistake was to rest the film portion for as long as they did. For developing first person shooter games instead of adventure games . . . anyone remember TNG: Final Unity. To date, best Trek game ever. Mistake, not doing telemovies. You don't want to do a series, fine. Throw a VOY telemovie in the mix, or a DS9 telemovie, or a ENT telemovie.
I have to admit, I think creating a movie based on the Romulan Wars would be a cool idea. Put Scott Bakula in the movie for crying out loud. They say that they want to do a movie where people can come in fresh. Well, if the ratings are as bad as they say, then they wont have to worry about it. I say, throw a bone to the fans that have continued to follow the franchise to date, through in a big name actor into the mix if you have to, but for crying out loud, give us a movie that is thoughtful, well written, alittle heady, and ultimately trek.
They all seem to fail understanding that it's not Star Trek per se, or that Sci Fi has become unpopular. It's that great stories sell, and if they actually write something worthwhile -- regardless of the "universe" setting -- they will make mullah.
Unfortunately, it also requires marketing. This season of Enterprise has been a vast improvement. But building a better mousetrap won't make you rich unless people know it's for sale.
They're talking about franchise fatigue...and they're doing another movie right away? What the fuck kind of idiot reasoning is that?
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--James Kirk, "The Conscience of the King"
"Vulcan children are never late with their sehlats' dinner."
--T'Pol, "The Forge"
Actually, Redshirt, you couldn't be any closer to the truth with the Thanksgiving and turkey analogy. If you remember the film "A Christmas Story", there's a line toward the end of the film that best sums up the whole oversaturation of ST (I may get some of the words wrong, but the essence is as follows):
"The heavenly aroma lingered over the kitchen, as the sudden realization began to sink in. No more turkey! All gone! No more turkey sandwiches, no more turkey leftovers, turkey hash, turkey salad, turkey gravy, turkey a la king, or gallons of turkey soup! All gone!"
Once you keep distilling the turkey, you get so tired of it that you want a break from it.
Another classic line comes to mind at this point from the "Adam's Ribs" episode of MASH, spoken by Hawkeye Pierce, that also sums up the ST oversaturation:
"I didn't hear you say that, because it's impossible. The Geneva Convention forbids the killing of our taste buds. I cannot simply eat the same thing day after day! Fish, liver, day after day! I've eaten a river of liver and an ocean of fish! I've eaten so much fish, I'm ready to grow gills! I've eaten so much liver, I can't make love unless I'm smothered in bacon and onions. Are we going to let them do this to us? Are we going to sit for this? No, I say, no! We're not going to eat this dreck anymore! WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE!"
As much as I love ST, we definitely need a break for a few years.
I beg Paramount to let Berman go.
Rick Berman is the wrong choice to 're-invent' Trek - he tried to 're-invent' it in 2001 with a show called 'Enterprise', a show that was cancelled last month.
The single obstacle in Star Treks' way is Mr Rick Berman.
Give him his big fat pension and politely tell him to go.
The longer Rick Berman remains, the more I think Paramount have gone insane.
Let JMS/Ron Moore/Ira Behr come up with something.
Now that BRANNON BRAGA is gone, perhaps Rick Berman can leave delusions of being a writer and go back to being the executive producer that he once was...create budgets, hire the poeple, do the dirty work behind the scenes and let the creative talent (i.e. Manny Coto, Garfield-Stevens, Sussman, Moore, Behr) do the story development and writing.
It worked on TNG and DS9
When Berman writes, look at ENT early seasons...
Maybe, he learned his lesson and hired some good talent for Star Trek XI and the next series.
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"Oh, that you will bless me indeed and enlarge my territory, that your hand may be on me, so that I wlll not cause pain." 1 Chronicles 4:11
So Manny Coto, Garfield-Stevens, and Sussman are out of a job after producing a brilliant Season 4 of ENTERPRISE...
but Rick Berman is still producing Star Trek movies??
The guy who bombed Star Trek X and created ENT that got cancelled???
And they give him Star Trek XI??? And he may produce a NEW Star Trek series 3 years from now???
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Are people at Paramount THAT DENSE?
This article makes me fear Star Trek is going to continue to get pimped.
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"Oh, that you will bless me indeed and enlarge my territory, that your hand may be on me, so that I wlll not cause pain." 1 Chronicles 4:11
Quote:"Each time we started something else, we were competing against the previous shows, so as the number started to accumulate, we started to see franchise fatigue," glums Rick Berman.
The last time I checked Berman was only involved in 4 Trek films. The last 2 sucked major ass. The only person Berman was ever competing with was "Nicholas Meyer and Harvey Bennett". Two men whos one little film called "STII" MADE the Star Trek franchise come alive! Berman could never outdo STII because he has no talent! So he can piss and moan all he wants. His Trek films are just shit. For Paramount to give this asswipe STXI only shows you how stupid Paramount really is. STXI will bomb. It will suck. Guaranteed!
Quote:" "You could see it with the performance of the last film, which was a wonderful movie.
All I saw was a lousy movie made by people going through the motion. Berman should stop be such a hypocrite. He has said since STX was made how great it was blah blah blah. Now he turns around and makes this comment. Once again Rick Berman has shown the world how much of fucking idiot he really is.
Quote:"You can only squeeze so many eggs out of a golden goose."
With that attitude then lets get rid of Berman as well.
Quote:'Downbeat results for STAR TREK: NEMESIS have curbed the studio's appetite to move quickly on more features.
Look the movie sucked but the fact that they do NO PROMOTION for it and put it out against 3 major films was the major reason. For God's sake I only saw ONE commerical for Nemesis on UPN. UPN!! dammnit!
Quote:"Dismal ratings prompted UPN to pull the plug on ENTERPRISE.
Due to a piss poor writting of the first 3 seasons. Take a bow Berman...you asswipe!
Quote:"Berman tells Variety that the whole TREK concept has been so exposed that it needs to be re-invented.
Bullshit!
Quote:'Another series would be at least three years away;
A rest was needed but we don't need another Berman series.
Quote:"and if a film goes forward, it will be the first that won't be based on already established TV characters.
It is going to bomb! Guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote:""I think we're unique in Hollywood in people working here for 12, 15 even the full 18 years, so that's the sad part -- the family we've had here splitting up," frets Berman,
Oh boo hoo boo hoo.
Quote:"who has teamed with Jordan Kerner and Kerry McCluggage to create an 11th feature now at the early stages of development; Eric Genderson has signed on as writer.
HAHAHAHAH.........So it is true the "Inspector Gadget" and Miami Vice guy are going to do the film. MY GOD is it going to suck!
I did some research on this and found out that Brannon Braga is no longer welcome at the studio. Never the dummy, he looked into the wayback machine and found some old dude called Gene L. Coon who wrote some stories as Lee Cronin. Braga figures that he will kill two birds with one pen name. That's right, Brannon Braga = Eric Genderson. Not only will it make him a better writer like Gene Coon, but it will give him a new ID to get on the lot.
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Now how many of you just crapped your pants? Ha Ha!
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Hmmm.
There is no Eric Genderson listed on IMDB, nor any other Genderson. A Google search only revealed one mention of Eric Genderson - the same Variety article. There are lots of references to an Eric GUnderson - but the first 20 hits were all Baseball.
Could Variety have spelt the name wrong? Pretty sloppy editing for the offical Hollywood trade mag!
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Who's that guy? Eric Genderson. Unless he's got a kick ass story or something, they should give it to Manny Coto, Sussman, or the Reeves-Stevenses. Hell, get Braga and Moore.
Let go Rick! Please for the love of God!
In the immortal words of the immortal Captain Kirk, "I ... have had ... enough of ... YOU!"
and who the hell is Eric Genderson?
Hey, this Eric Genderson who's signed on to write the script. Anyone know anything about him, good, bad or otherwise?
Geeez. I hate to get my hopes up. They've been talking about trek 11 for some time now, and now we get the writer's name.
Part of the reason for the break must be to allow Rick Berman's contract to expire. Let Trek have some new blood and fresh ideas. That can't happen as long as Berman is involved. I hope Paramount gets that, and I hope that Berman's talk of his involvement in an 11th film is just more denial and wishful thinking on his part.
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Walter Koenig, a.k.a. "Chekov" in the original series, also believes it will be back eventually. "I really don't think that the series cancellation is its ultimate demise, although that may be just a reflex on my part," he says. "At some point, everything loses a little bit of its glow but STAR TREK has shown an uncanny ability to survive."
Pretty supportive language. Hasn't he tried to publicly distance himself from the Franchise in the past? (Bester frakin' rocks!) That was pretty cool of him.
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"The only voices in my head are asking the same thing 'Why does a man call himself a "Gerbil King"?'"
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Does Rick Berman have pictures of Paramount execs playing golf with Satan? Just fire him for Pete's sake!
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It's a little like after you've eaten Thanksgiving dinner, you really don't want any more turkey. There's been so much, for so long, that the feeling is that it's OK to take a pause.
You have to admit it, Nygard has a point.
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Yesterday, February 2, 2005 - a date which will live in infamy - the great show of Star Trek: Enterprise was suddenly and deliberately cancelled by greedy and power hungry forces of the Market Empire of Viacom.
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