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Deus Unsatisfied With Recycled, Out of Place "E2"

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By O. Deus / 11:52, 7 May 2004 / ENTERPRISE Reviews

Reviews Ex Deus

Title: "E2"

Overall: 5
Performances: 6.5
Writing: 5
Direction: 7.5
FX & Prod Value: 5


Synopsis: ENTERPRISE does VOYAGER and encounters its future in the form of reruns of previous STAR TREK episodes hashed together.

Review: DS9's "Children of Time" was hardly all that great of an episode, so it's unclear as to why ENTERPRISE felt the need to remake it again. Or why after already doing one episode that showed Enterprise's dark future if the Xindi mission failed, they chose to do another one. Or why they chose to interrupt the concluding arc of the season that had just begun gathering steam with an episode that distracts by rehashing a bunch of old episodes. But such are the mysteries that earn one a position on the writing staff of a television series.

It's not that "E2" is a particularly bad episode. In fact, Mike Sussman has generally done good work and so has Roxann Dawson. But as the saying goes, there's only so many times you can go to the well. The STAR TREK franchise has managed to drain the life out of such strengths as the Klingons and the Borg, and ENTERPRISE is well on its way to doing to time travel VOYAGER to the Borg. "E2" is not a bad episode but we've seen better versions of it plenty of times before. Take "Children of Time," hash it together with some bits and pieces of "Yesterday's Enterprise," "Deadlock" and "Equinox" and you pretty much have this episode.

Worst of all, "E2" really doesn't manage to do anything significant with the material. None of the future descendants are particularly interesting and aside from the great mess hall scene with Hoshi, Mayweather and Reed, the encounter with a future version Enterprise seems redirected into yet another round of Trip -n- T'Pol. And that is what really manages to reduce "E2" to a pile of barely digestible mush. Much as ENTERPRISE Season 3 took the destruction of Earth and the death of Trip's sister and turned it into an excuse for erotic massages, "E2" takes the encounter with a future Enterprise and turns it into yet another round of gracelessly shoving Trip and T'Pol together. But of course even this silliness isn't original because "Children of Time," the DS9 episode this episode is cribbed from, featured a futuristic version of Odo revealing his love to Kira.

But it isn't the turpid scenes between T'Pol and Trip themselves that destroy the episode but the outcome of twisting the episode to accomodate them by the creation of Lorian. Despite being derivative, however, "E2" had some possibilities. Imagine an encounter with a more wolfish and desperate Archer a decade or two down the road. Or even the same aged T'Pol we see in this episode in command and becoming more unstable as she desperately tries to achieve her goal by any means necesarry. It wouldn't be the greatest STAR TREK episode of all time but it could have been compelling. It would have been about the crew and the choices they've made and what they can become if they continue down this path. It would have tied neatly into the previous episodes.

But instead as an articulation of Trip and T'Pol's Love That Dare Not Speak Its Ratings, we get Lorian the first Redneck Vulcan on STAR TREK. He might have been entertaining if played for laughs, maybe meditating under a Confederate flag to a piece from a Harley's motor. But instead David Andrews portrays him with all the intensity of a coma patient being pumped full of extra sediatives. Meanwhile, the child of Trip and T'Pol combines Trip's boneheaded stupidity with T'Pol's emotionlessness to produce a truly boring idiot. Aside from his emoting scene in the brig, Lorian isn't just boring, he taps into a whole dimension of tediousness we never thought previously possible. God knows when you're looking forward to Mayweather saying a line, something is seriously wrong.

Not only does "E2" waste enormous amounts of time on a character who does not seem to survive this episode but it wastes more time drawing out this round of the 'Will They Or Won't They Game' for T'Pol and Trip, a game best reserved for the viewership of teenage girls, and ultimately is not about the choices Archer makes so much as the moral struggle of a boring character who is not a member of the crew and whom we will never see again. While it was a nice touch of irony to see the Enterprise crew end up on the other side of the treatment they handed out in "Damage" and for the same reason, "E2" manages to flub even this scene by centering the confrontation on Trip rather than Archer (you know, Archer, the guy who struggled with that tough decision to steal a warp coil from innocent people to save Earth only to find himself in the same predicament from the other side.)

There are worthwhile moments in the episode, however. Reed's worries about remaining a bachelor, the two beaten ships docked together, the revelation of who Phlox married, Archer's disappointed expression when he realizes that it's Degra's ship and not the other Enterprise and Degra becoming even more desperate and determined as Randy Oglesby continues stealing every scene he's in. Jolene Blalock turns in another surprisingly good performance as the aged T'Pol, which perhaps might remind the producers that they might consider more possibilities involving her than getting her on drugs or taking her clothes off. But when all is said and done this episode simply does not work.

It is a poorly hashed together mix of older episodes that fits poorly into the arc, has the wrong focus and is a letdown in every way. Even the production values seem poor with the corridor effects looking cheap and terrible and T'Pol's caked makeup making her look more like a swamp monster than an old woman. Makeup this bad was understandable on TOS when Kirk, Spock and McCoy underwent dramatic aging. But it's completely unacceptable in 2004. But then T'Pol's makeup, like this episode, shows the age of a creaking franchise in its last throes. With two episodes this season showing a dead and doomed ancient Enterprise fighting a hopeless battle, one almost wonders if the writers are prophecying the eponymous show for which they work.



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By: takeitnomore (Odo's file, contact) @ 22:15:41 on May 10, 2004

As a fan of Trek, I have been coming to this site for some time. I never felt the need to post an opinion until now. O. Deus uses a racially derogative word to describe a character in the last Enterprise episode. The future son of Trip and T'Pol is refered to as a "Redneck Vulcan." The term "redneck" is the same as "nigger, spik or gook." But it seems perfectly acceptable to use this term to degrade white people. When Tuvok appeared on Voyager, was he refered to as the first "Nigger Vulcan?" Of course not. That would be racist. Then what is "Redneck Vulcan?" Don't get me wrong. I am not saying Tuvok should be refered to with a racially derogative term. I am saying that white people also deserve to be treated with the same respect. What gets me, is how many white people just sit back and let this double standard go. And people like O. Deus and Jeff Foxworthy use this term against white people would never have the guts to use racially derogative terms against other races, and would call me racist for pointing out this hypocrisy. Those who call me racist need to go get a dictionary and look up the definition. I am no racist. I am simply sick of the prejudice against white people. I expect it on Def Comedy Jam and Dave Chapelle. These people have made careers of making fun of white people. But if a white person did the exact same things, we are called racist. Grow a set, and complain to the webmaster, producers and even the FCC. This double standard needs to be stopped. It is not right that every other race has protections, while it is open season on OUR people.


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By: AntonyF (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 05:10:58 on May 10, 2004 | Edit History (1)

I always know when I'm bored watching Enteprirse because I start cracking jokes and getting sarcastic.

For ages I'm saying "But if you go through they next existed..." but then of course getting into the whole paradox thing. Watching the dim-witted Archer slowly come to this conclusion numerous minutes later was hilarious.

And I was cheering for a scene to come, when Archer was wanting the other Enterprise to come out, where the corridor opened up and bits of the other Enterprise came floating through, along with the odd arm and Vulcan ear splattting on to the NX-01's hull.

But anyway, totally agree with O Deus. I've been enjoying Trek for the first time in ages of late. Heck, I'm even eager to see Enterprise now! But this episode was just a return to old Trek, and that's not a good thing.

Even the explanation of why they went back in time sounded very Voyager with its technobabble.

The other thing was that it just didn't fit in with the timeline, it was like it was filmed, delayed then they put it in. Like Sliders and Farscape did "You remember that event..." and they bring out this "lost" episode. Well with Degra tagged onto the end, it felt like that... like he'd just been waiting for this episode to be aired, then to get back to the story.

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By: Guild Navigator (Odo's file, contact) @ 21:31:33 on May 09, 2004

The last thing this franchise needs is an episode like E2. The episode was almost a complete waste. It barely moved the Zindi plot forward. The main focus of the episode seemed to be the regurgitation of the T'Pol / Trip relationship. A relationship that doesn't have enough "on screen chemistry" to carry an episode. Tiresome to watch.

If there was any learning experience for the crew of Enterprise, it came at the very end of the episode. When Archer partially realized that by altering the timeline, he had ended the lives of all the children of E2.

How many times have we seen an altered timeline episode in Star Trek? Complete with a little techno babble thrown in for plot resolution? Maybe the writers took this week off? E2 is the most disappointing episode of season 3 for me.


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By: KirkSwaggergKirk (Odo's file, contact) @ 11:49:49 on May 09, 2004

Why not have a more "B5ish" plot for E2?

Here's what I'm thinking.

Archer and crew were thrown 400 years into the past and accidently destroy the Xindi homeworld? Remember we saw their homeworld in rubble earlier this season.

Much like the "War Without End" arc in B5, this E2 could reveal that Earth really *was* responsible for the destruction of the Xindi world in the past.

To me it would bring a dramatic edge of guilt to the next few episodes. And rather than stopping the Xindi weapon, the season could end with Archer not going through the corridor/nebula/wormhole. The expanse would suddenly disappear, the Xindi homeworld would be back where it was 400 years ago and when Archer and crew returned home expecting a hero's welcome, they would come home to a world that didn't know it had been saved. The probe never would have been launched, Tripp's sister is still alive.

To me that would have been a much better way to end this "arc", but I'm just a guy who appreciates a good narrative thread as a way to get good ratings. People have to want to watch a show because of the story and the characters. From the last part of season 2 through season 4, B5 did that for me. I'll also say the last three seasons of DS9 did too. If ENT can capture that feeling and develop better plots with more irony and less "neural pressure" massages, the ratings dive could be reversed.

That's my .02c. ;)

-Ted


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RE: A Better Plot Idea for "E2" by Cymro @ 17:38:41 on May 09

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By: Timmer (Odo's file, contact) @ 06:18:42 on May 09, 2004

Hi

I'm afraid I have to agree 100% with Deus. The high point for me was when Trip warned Lorein "You don't wanna do this!" Almost a warning of what Archer was gonna do in response.

Archer for me is the best. He's turning into a bad ass captain. Not afraid to bend the rules or outright break them to get the job done. It's true to life, except in the Star Trek universe. Reed is also great. He backs his captain 100%. Exactly the way a security officer should.

The Trip & T'Pol arc is downright annoying. The only ones who seem to like it are women because Trip is considered a so called stud. Trip has a ship to fix & all he's doing is trying to get into T'Pol's pants. Granted I can understand that but not in the middle of a crisis. T'Pol is now an addict which is a terrible character twist. I also like Phlox but he's now a cheerleader for Trip & T'Pol. Constantly encouraging them into massage sessions & putting medical research into their pro creation.

Personally I think the writers are watching too many soap operas. Enterprise is suppose to be on a do or die mission, instead it's like an outake of a graduation party. Even if it gets renewed for a 4th season it will still be cancelled if the stories don't improve.

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RE: Daytime Drama?? by O. Deus @ 08:49:42 on May 09

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By: NAFF (Odo's file, contact) @ 07:55:34 on May 08, 2004

...I fell asleep before the end..


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By: dougkeenan (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 23:22:45 on May 07, 2004

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the turpid scenes between T'Pol and Trip themselves that destroy the episode

Turgid? Torpid? Torrid? Turbid? Don't mince words, Bones ... Stupid?

The intercrew contact I cared to see was T'Pold and Trip and wuz robbed. The arc-twist I've been waiting for was Lorian as Future Guy and wuz robbed. Archer's still attacking first and thinking last though. Then we hear about a deathbed scene, on which he actually dies ... and wuz robbed!


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By: Cylykon (Odo's file, contact) @ 16:32:16 on May 07, 2004

I enjoyed this ep a bit more when I realized that all the Trip/T'Pol shenanigans this season was meant to lead up to one and only one point: the scene in sickbay where Archer demands to know who fathered T'Pol's kid!

Of course, with Bakula's acting skills, I couldn't really tell if his reaction was one of relief that it wasn't him or consternation that it was Trip. Perhaps Bakula should watch some "Maury" to see how it's done right! ;)


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By: Xenoclone (Odo's file, contact, web site) @ 15:46:16 on May 07, 2004

Odd. I thought Lorian was good and "old T'Pol' was bad. Go figure.

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By: JediFonger (Odo's file, contact) @ 15:33:47 on May 07, 2004

are you guys fking retarded? this was one of the worst episodes. when i saw the old t'pol i swore i heard a collective boo in the entire alpha quadrant. it's not the makeup it's just the acting was horrible. sally field did an excellent job as forest gump's mother as she aged. so it CAN work but you really need to put a lot of work into the acting... and enterprise is not a place for that. tos was shakespearean, tng was, bits of ds9 was, but voy and ent are not. it's terrible through and through. it's a godamn fact.

2ndly the alternate reality's crew in general is terribly done. none of the characters on the other ship had any real emotions.

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By: lemmiwinks (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:58:53 on May 07, 2004

...more episodes this season, that is.

I gotta go with Deus on this one. It's like we've been going down an exciting 40-story drop on a roller coaster for the past few weeks, only last night it's like the coaster ran into an enormous pile of fluffy pillows. Lots of fluff in this episode.

That's not to say it was all bad, though. The mess hall scene (I love watching them repairing it in the background) was really cute. Jolene pulled one out of her hat, even though she looked like Jabba the Hutt's grandmother. Having "present" and "future" T'Pol meet each other was a nice touch, and her exposition about Trip and learning to deal with her emotions was a nice taste of what might be to come. I think it gave her a fresh perspective on what is going on now in her life and how she may be able to handle things differently.

Nice exchanges between T’Pol and Trip. She needs him right now, and she’s pushing him away. I’ve always found the idea of the first Terran/Vulcan interspecies relationship to be interesting, and while TPTB have stumbled a few times with this plot thread, I can really see this going somewhere.

Degra… you gotta love this guy. Randy is really the final piece bringing this all to a head. He is able to assert to us the stress of what he is going through, with the face of a worried politician much like those we see on CNN in recent days. Who would have thought that at the season premier, that “face in the council” would become such an integral part of this story? He is right up there with Jeffrey Coombs, in my humble opinion.

As for the rest, well some of it was kind of sloppy. I had little to no interest in those people on board the “future” Enterprise, which surprised me because I was really looking forward to this episode. The half human/half Vulcan captain was so unmemorable (so much so that I can’t even remember his name), that he took what could have been an exciting and thought provoking premise and dragged it all the way down to the level of the “Enterprise does Risa” episode. Spock was half human too, but he was never as boring as this guy. You never saw any ounce of balancing his emotions with logic; all we got was a dull and irrational character. When your main guest star in an episode puts you to sleep, it puts the episode to sleep. When I think more about it, I did like a lot of this episode, but that guy just ruined much of it for me.

Deus, I respect you and your opinions. I wish you would do the same. When you insult people who happen to like certain aspects of this show, by calling us teenage girls and the like, it really cheapens your argument. I’m all for people speaking their mind, but insults make you come across like just another one of the “bashers.” All in all though, great review. Dead on. Let’s hope this one was an anomaly.

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RE: And then there were 3... by O. Deus @ 17:32:03 on May 07
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By: johniccp (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:49:40 on May 07, 2004

Deus, once again you are too harsh. The lunch room meeting where Reed takes a different course than the one history suggested was well done. If the writers remember his change of heart in the future, he could become a more interesting, multi-dimensional character.

And, I really liked the idea of using the transporter as a weapon to disassemble an attacking vessel. I've giggled about possibilities with this ever since.

Trip-T'Pol relationship stuff could last a long time, and still be interesting. It took Ross and Rachel ten seasons to figure their relationship out. I could let ENT run for ten!

The most telling comment was Helens. Too many commericials interupted the story flow. The problem seemed more pronounced with this ep than others. ENT is UPN's cash cow. It produces income with little or no investment in promotion, relying on a committed fan base to pay for ENT, plus. If you'd like to save ENT, call UPN and provide them with whatever incentive you feel motivated to provide for continuing into a fourth season. See http://SaveEnterprise.com.


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Dont knock "Children of Time" | Report this post to moderator
By: W Epemenundus Edrastus Blab (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:33:42 on May 07, 2004

It had two main fucntions.

1, a fun, sci-fi comic-booky episode before the calamatous season finalie.

2, The ep finally let Kira know about Odo's feelings.

And it preformed these function charmingly, while also being a rare perfectly logical time travel story. And suspensful, with real moral dielemas. I really believed that Sisko was going to crash the Defiant again. And Odo linking with his older self. That's real drama.

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RE: Dont knock "Children of Time" by O. Deus @ 17:26:45 on May 07
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By: Hbasm (Odo's file, contact) @ 14:30:52 on May 07, 2004 | Edit History (1)

Heheheh, this is exactly the review I expected - I won the contest! (located elsewhere on Trekweb's BBS). As I expected, Deus didn't like the episode because we've seen the ideas before. He says the team needs to improve their writing skills, also that E2's future is not going to exsist because the show will get canceled beforehand. He rates the episode below 7. I suppose most people knew this was coming.

I disagree with much of what Deus writes in this review. I think Jolene's portrayal of an old woman didn't work. It was probably the best she could deliver and it's not her fault. The same happened when Terry Farrell played an old woman - it didn't work. The same goes for Kate Mulgrew in Voyagers "Endgame" although that was almost believeable. But it seems these kind of scenes rarely work for women.

I think the actor playing Trip's son did a great job and fits perfectly into the role. Certainly a performance just as good as Randy playing Degra.

I disagree with Deus about the production values. I think the corridors looked great and the makeup was pretty good. Nothing wrong here.

E2 left me with a good mood so I give it 10/10. In comparison, the last two episodes (Damage & Forgotten) I rated 8 out of 10.

I agree with Deus on a few points. But it doesn't hurt the episode in my opinion. The only thing I can point a finger at, is the idea of a ship becoming a generation ship .. it seems far fetched.


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By: Helen (Odo's file, contact) @ 13:19:39 on May 07, 2004

I have to say I think you're being a little too hard on this episode. There was an aspect I especially did not like that you didn't mention... Too many commercials! It seems they packed this episode with much more frequent commercial interruptions. Much more than last week. Kept breaking up the story.

I think Trip - Tpol is an interesting development that can be used to extend stories about relationships and conflict and resolution and closure. That's what STar Trek is about, IMHO.

The casting of the son of Trip was not good. Aged Tpol was excellent. I wanted to see Trip and Old Tpol meet. I think it would have been a poignant moment.

There were possibilities for lots of poignant moments. Too bad the writers missed them.


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    Deus, what's up? by MoulinRouge @ 20:15:36 on May 07
       RE: Deus, what's up? by O. Deus @ 22:04:08 on May 08
       RE: Deus, what's up? by TRexx @ 23:22:03 on May 07
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